Rudy Giuliani, President Donald Trump's lawyer, made a startling claim to a New Yorker reporter on Monday regarding Trump's alleged conversations with his former fixer Michael Cohen.
Isaac Chotiner called Giuliani for comment on a disputed BuzzFeed report alleging that Trump instructed Cohen to lie to Congress about the secret Trump Tower Moscow deal Trump was pursuing during the 2016 election.
"Where are we now with Trump and Cohen and the BuzzFeed story, and your response to it?" Chotiner asked Giuliani.
"There are no tapes, there are no texts, there is no corroboration that the President told him to lie," Giuliani replied. "That’s why the special counsel said that the story was inaccurate."
Giuliani quickly contradicted himself, saying he "knew the BuzzFeed story was false." Chotimer asked Giuliani how he was so certain.
That's when it got weird.
Giuliani: "Because I have been through all the tapes. I have been through all the texts, I have been through all the e-mails, and I knew none existed."
Chotiner: "Wait, what tapes have you gone through?"
Giuliani immediately backtracked, saying "I shouldn’t have said tapes. They alleged there were texts and e-mails that corroborated that Cohen was saying the President told him to lie. There were no texts, there were no e-mails, and the President never told him to lie."
Chotiner: "So, there were no tapes you listened to, though?"
Giuliani: "No tapes. Well, I have listened to tapes, but none of them concern this."
Considering Cohen taped many of his conversations with Trump, Giuliani's remarks are raising lots of eyebrows.
Lordy, there may be tapes of Trump directing Cohen to commit perjury.
Tapes? Did you say there are TAPES, Rudy?? 😳 https://t.co/GdxRMjP5N2— Jon Cooper 🇺🇸 (@Jon Cooper 🇺🇸)1548132777.0
@gtconway3d @MalcolmNance What tapes? Did Rudy see them BEFORE the FBI raids. No. Cohen wouldn't have let him. So,… https://t.co/siK3q6SC5k— Paul&Mary (@Paul&Mary)1548172345.0
Rudy said he has tapes. https://t.co/k5Aa2V1M2r— ray reynolds (@ray reynolds)1548171994.0
@GregR1970 @gtconway3d How would Rudy have gotten hold of the Cohen tapes?— Ma Brool (@Ma Brool)1548171351.0
@renato_mariotti @NewYorker @RudyGiuliani "I shouldn’t have said tapes." https://t.co/qIUyIlp8t1— She persisted (@She persisted)1548135440.0
Giuliani left Twitter dumbfounded.
This is the best lawyer that Trump, a billionaire, can afford?
I had a theory that Giuliani was a plant after his first crazy interview. I discounted that as Rudy just being nuts… https://t.co/mLeuoQmlX3— Angry Staffer (@Angry Staffer)1548162118.0
Which quote from today's @NewYorker interview with @RudyGiuliani is your favorite? 1) "I am afraid it will be on m… https://t.co/0IiX9e1MO8— Renato Mariotti (@Renato Mariotti)1548134772.0
@kylegriffin1 @GhostPanther Am I the only one who wants a Rudy Giuliani movie at some point— Pablo S. Torre (@Pablo S. Torre)1548131114.0
@TheRickWilson RUDY: I shouldn't have said tapes. I meant tapas. NYer: You listened to tapas? RUDY: Yes, Spanish fi… https://t.co/iJMJ68Fzc2— Ruben Carbajal (@Ruben Carbajal)1548169359.0
@realDonaldTrump Rudy says there are #tapes. Your lawyer is buffoon - just right for a liar like you. #GiulianiJoke #TrumpTraitor— Dyn-o-mite! (@Dyn-o-mite!)1548171639.0
@kylegriffin1 I thought the link was going to take me to the Borowitz Report.— Rankin Johnson (@Rankin Johnson)1548132245.0
@joncoopertweets https://t.co/eVSQfXElHU— Clark Henderson (@Clark Henderson)1548138217.0
Oh Rudy. Why do you do this to yourself?