Giuliani made those statements just a day after he denied that his statements on collusion have ever changed.
My statements on collusion haven’t changed. The misinterpretation has changed. The point is I represent the President not the campaign. But from both perspectives there is no involvement in collusion with Russians on the email hack, the only possible crime.
— Rudy Giuliani (@RudyGiuliani) January 17, 2019
The New Yorker interview further spotlights Giuliani’s myriad contradictions and shows him walking back his own statements on Meet the Press:
IC: You said today, “My recent statements about discussions during the 2016 campaign between Michael Cohen and then-candidate Donald Trump about a potential Trump Moscow ‘project’ were hypothetical and not based on conversations I had with the President.”
RG: Correct. I was pointing out how you would deal with it in court if we were going to trial, and how, even if there were such conversations, which there weren’t, they would be completely innocent. Whenever you do that, you always run the risk someone is going to report just the first part of your conversation. But I thought it was necessary to do it. If he had a project in Moscow, there would be nothing wrong with it, but he didn’t.
IC: Wait, Mr. Mayor, if he had a project in Moscow that his attorney was discussing and he himself may have been involved in while he was calling for a loosening of sanctions against Russia and a different policy in Ukraine, and the American people didn’t know anything about that, you wouldn’t find that problematic?
RG: First of all, the project was over in November, December, January, right into 2016. So there was no project. So there was no project. There was no project.
IC: The Times reported yesterday, “President Trump was involved in discussions to build a skyscraper in Moscow throughout the entire 2016 presidential campaign . . .”
RG: He’s wrong! They’re wrong!
IC: “. . . His personal lawyer said on Sunday.”
RG: I didn’t say that. Go find out where I said that on Sunday. I never said he was involved in such conversations. I said the same thing I said to you, which is—
IC: The quote in the story from you is that the “ ‘discussions were going on from the day I announced to the day I won,’ Mr. Giuliani quoted Mr. Trump as saying during an interview with The New York Times.”
RG: I did not say that.
These contradictory remarks have made Giuliani a subject of considerable derision on news and talk show programs which have dedicated much of their airtime to covering the Russia investigation’s many twists and turns.
Yesterday, guests on an MSNBC morning show panel with Joy Reid reacted with disdain for Giuliani and his conflicting stories.
“Every week Rudy Giuliani gets on TV and confesses another crime. I expect him to say in two weeks that Trump is guilty of everything,” said Tara Dowell, who once appeared on The Apprentice with Trump.
“I do billion-dollar deals all the time, so some of them just kind of slip my mind, I guess,” said Washington Post columnist E.J. Dionne. “If there’s ever a trial on all of this, I think a whole day of the trial will just be jurors watching old Rudy Giuliani tapes and clips because the number of times, he is essentially confirming Trump lied through his teeth about doing business with Russia in that period—it’s just astounding.”