READ: Rudy Giuliani Says ‘I Am Afraid It Will Be on My Gravestone. ‘Rudy Giuliani: He Lied for Trump”

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Rudy Giuliani’s tendency to contradict himself about any and all matters related to Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation continues to confound statesmen, media professionals, and pundits nationwide. Now, in a new interview with The New Yorker, he reveals what he fears might end up on his gravestone.

“I am afraid it will be on my gravestone: ‘Rudy Giuliani: He lied for Trump,’” Giuliani told The New Yorker. “Somehow, I don’t think that will be it. But if it is, so what do I care? I’ll be dead. I figure I can explain it to St. Peter. He will be on my side, because I am, so far… I don’t think, as a lawyer, I ever said anything that’s untruthful.”

Giuliani, who despite mounting evidence of communication between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives has continued to claim there was “no collusion,” was resoundingly mocked.

Giuliani made the remarks after he was questioned about conflicting statements he made about the Trump Tower Moscow project, which was the focus of an explosive Buzzfeed News report alleging that President Donald Trump directed his former attorney and fixer Michael Cohen to lie to Congress.

You can read the exchange between Giuliani and The New Yorker‘s Isaac Chotiner below:

IC: The Times reported that President Trump was involved in discussions about building a skyscraper in Moscow during the campaign, and you acknowledged that, and then, more recently, you said that you didn’t actually know this was the case.

RG: First of all, the Times was absolutely wrong. Probably just as wrong as BuzzFeed was. I never said he had [narrator voice:] “conversations about a skyscraper in Moscow.” The only thing that ever happened was that they submitted a letter of intent about a possible project in Moscow that never went beyond that. No money was ever paid, no plans were ever made. There were no drafts. Nothing in the file. Nothing ever happened to it. Much ado about nothing, because the New York Times wants to crucify the President. And the President had no conversations. I shouldn’t say he had no conversations. He had a few conversations about this early-stage proposal that he ended somewhere in early 2016, and doesn’t have a recollection of anything else, and there is nothing to support anything else. This is a story that is completely exaggerated and made up.

IC: Did you talk to President Trump about that?

RG: If I talked to President Trump about it, of course I can’t tell you. I’m his lawyer. I can’t tell you what I talked to my client about.

IC: O.K., so how do you know this?

RG: Well, you have to figure out how I know it. Right? I can’t tell you what I talked to my client about.

IC: O.K., I guess my question—maybe I phrased this badly—

RG: No, no, no, you’re right. They did say one thing yesterday, and another thing today. But what they are doing is misinterpreting what I said yesterday. I have said the same thing for two months. And that is that the President had very little involvement in this so-called project in Moscow.


We know, however, that that’s not true. Giuliani not only told the Times that Trump was involved in conversations about the project, but he also provided more details about these conversations during an appearance on Meet the Press, during which he said that negotiations over the Trump Tower Moscow project likely went up to the 2016 presidential election.

“Well, it’s our understanding that they went on throughout 2016,” he said. “There weren’t a lot of them, but there were conversations. Can’t be sure of the exact dates but the president can remember having conversations with him [Michael Cohen] about it––”

“Throughout 2016?” he was asked.

“Yeah, probably up to, could be up to as far as October, November. Our answers cover until the election.”

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