Former FBI chief of staff and U.S. Attorney Chuck Rosenberg said that “collusion” is “absolutely a crime” during an interview on Meet the Press Daily Monday afternoon. Rosenberg’s remarks countered those of Rudy Giuliani and President Trump himself who have spent the past couple of days insisting that “collusion is not a crime.”
“Collusion is a crime. We just happen to call it something else, we call it conspiracy, but it is absolutely a crime.”
— Meet the Press (@MeetThePress) July 30, 2018
Rosenberg served under former FBI Director James Comey, whom Trump fired in May of 2017. This led to the appointment of Special Counsel Robert Mueller and his investigation into possible obstruction of justice by Trump for Comey’s firing. Mueller is also probing whether Trump’s campaign participated in a criminal conspiracy with Russian intelligence to sway the 2016 presidential election.
“You probably won’t find the crime bank heist in the criminal code but bank robbery is a crime too, and so I am sort of perplexed that it has come down to synonyms,” Rosenberg explained. He said that “collusion” is actually a crime – “conspiracy.”
Rosenberg then tore into Giuliani’s attempt to confuse the public with “synonyms.”
“If these folks don’t know that collusion and conspiracy are synonyms for one another and this is a legal strategy,” Rosenberg added, “then they might want to consider changing horses in this race.”
Bang on. MSM need to stand up and assert that "collusion" is a synonym for conspiracy, like bank heist is the same as bank robbery. If all Trump/Giuliani have is squawking about the word, they're sunk. Courts have thesauruses. @cnn @msnbc @abc @nbc @cbs
— Barend Hamm (@BarendHamm) July 30, 2018
Earlier in the day on Monday, Giuliani made the media rounds giving borderline incoherent defenses of the president.
“I have been sitting here looking in the federal code trying to find collusion as a crime,” Giuliani said on Fox & Friends. “Collusion is not a crime.”
There is no statute covering "colluding" with a foreign power, but it is illegal to conspire to violate laws against not only hacking, but foreign participation in elections. https://t.co/msksverlVw https://t.co/lUp8hGPwiq
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) July 30, 2018
Giuliani later added: “My client didn’t do it, and even if he did it, it’s not a crime.”
Giuliani is calling into Fox News right now to clarify his collusion comments from this morning: "My client didn't do it, and even if he did it, it's not a crime." pic.twitter.com/4Lem500Wuj
— Aidan McLaughlin (@aidnmclaughlin) July 30, 2018
Later, on CNN, Giuliani reiterated his point.
“I don’t even know if that’s a crime, colluding about Russians,” the former New York City mayor said before switching gears to the cyber attack on the 2016 election. “You start analyzing the crime — the hacking is the crime. The president didn’t hack. He didn’t pay them for hacking.”
Giuliani: "I don't even know if that's a crime, colluding about Russians. You start analyzing the crime — the hacking is the crime. The president didn't hack” pic.twitter.com/GTnUxXBeTL
— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) July 30, 2018
On Tuesday morning, Trump reiterated Giuliani’s line of defense:
Collusion is not a crime, but that doesn’t matter because there was No Collusion (except by Crooked Hillary and the Democrats)!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 31, 2018
Lest we forget – candidate Trump explicitly asked Russia to hack into the DNC server and to try and dig up Hillary Clinton’s emails.
Trump on July 27, 2016 asking a foreign gov for assistance
"Russia, if you're listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing"
Now we know that the criminal Russian military hacking operation of Hillary Clinton began that night.
— ☇RiotWomenn☇ (@riotwomennn) July 29, 2018
That same night, July 27, 2017, DNC servers were breached and emails between Clinton campaign officials were leaked to the press by Wikileaks.
Incidentally, Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort’s trial begins today. One of the charges Manafort is facing is “conspiracy against the United States.”
WATCH: Former Senior FBI Official Chuck Rosenberg says, "collusion is a crime. We just happen to call it something else. We call it ‘conspiracy." #MTPDailyhttps://t.co/ZKeuv6e6pf pic.twitter.com/d0Lo3dyuoM
— Meet the Press (@MeetThePress) July 31, 2018
Twitter had its way with Giuliani and his foundering legal spin.